Curse

One and Two · Nov 14, 2005, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Tell me why they run iway first...

d4nowar · Nov 14, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Play around with whoever you can, and then when you find people that are good, add them to your friends list. Keeping a good list of contacts goes a LONG way when you maybe want to start a guild one day. If you make good friends in the game, they will follow you.

Patrograd · Nov 14, 2005, 08:11 AM // 08:11

The only real way around this problem is to either make your own builds or better yet join a guild that does this and isnt elitist about who they will bring onto teams.

Took me ages to get to rank 3, in the end I had to make my own guild and recruited like minded individuals, and now all of our fame levels are shooting up as we play together regularly with the added bonus of doing the hugely addictive GvG with the same people.

neoteo · Nov 14, 2005, 08:32 AM // 08:32

i have 1000+ hours , fame 48 ... i stop doing tombs when the rank 3 emote start spaming there ... mmmm ... about 4 months ago ...

and also , i was fire ele ... even with 16 atributes in fire , no one wants a fire crap ele in tombs

tafy69 · Nov 14, 2005, 08:39 AM // 08:39

lol im rank 6 and i get hard time getting a team for tombs! and if i do get a team 50% of time we get wiped out by IWAY and team falls apart..

Everybody gets same probs, what we need is a better grouping system for tombs, like a post board of teams and what they require or something. Anything is better than spamming lfg etc

AncientPC · Nov 14, 2005, 09:02 AM // 09:02

I have the same problem but I've managed to get to rank two as W/R with some decent modded IWAY groups. Reached HoH about 5 times but can't win it.

I think the next thing I'll be trying is heal / prot Monking on a balanced team, or ascending with my Ranger or Necro for more variety (all PvE characters). Either way it's going to take a while since everybody wants r3+.

_necroangel_ · Nov 14, 2005, 09:49 AM // 09:49

This is what I think...I don't play pvp, have no real desire to pvp, but when I did, I never had a probablem finding a group when going to tombs...I guess it depends most of the time (sadly enough, who you know and vice versa...) If I ever did play, screw IWAY, I'd take my own build...And just because you're an unranked player doesn't mean you're a noob...Just means you're a pvp virgin I guess...And hell, we all have to learn sometime right? Practice makes perfect...Boo to those who frown upon new pvpers...

koren · Nov 14, 2005, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Iway or not you will learn the maps after playing them a couple of times. Sure, the first two to three times it will be all new and a bit overwhelming but if you keep at it you'll have all the tricks and locations, etc memorized.
So by the time you get to rank 3 through iway or pugs you should have enough experience to get into better groups.

Plus if you're a really good player that stands out in the crowd, then by this time you should also have alot of other tombers in your friends list and be in alot of people's friends list so forming your own groups or getting into a friend's group should be alot easier.

Getting started in pvp is hard work, but once there and you've found a few buddies you can regularly tomb with its a blast!

Mystical · Nov 14, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Senator Tom

i find that you can start rank 3+ groups even if your only rank 0-2

Just want everyone to read this again and reverse the perspective.

Alot of people looking for rank 3 don't really care about rank but put that up to encourage people to get in thier group. Give them a whisper and tell them you know what you're doing, I bet they'll let you in.

Fantus · Nov 14, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by glenn_rolfe

This is the number 1 complaint to players new in PvP. The biggest frustration I have with inexperienced players, is not that they don't know how to use their skillbar (well a lot of time they don't), it's that they don't understand the maps.

So I suggest, do IWAY, farm out your 180 fame to R3, get use to the maps, understand relic runs, res orbs, alter holding, claim resource etc.
Then when you get to R3, you'll get into different groups running better builds, and you won't be a liability. And do it by playing necro.

I can see your point. However, if you are 7 people who know the maps, does it really hurt that much to take one person along, who doesn't?

I have 1,500 hours of GW experience (yes, from PvE mostly). I have played PvP in Arenas (got like 25k of faction). Yet I don't have a rank, since I didn't play much in Tombs so far. Since I seem to have done everything else in GW I started Tombsing lately. Can you remotely imagine how it's like to be a "new" player in Tombs? The only groups who are ever going to take me into their teams are the PRPUGs (purely random pick up group) where they send blind invites out to get a full group together quickly. Every once in a while one of those blind invites will hit my mesmer, too. Can you imagine that I am actually desperate enough to accept those? Yes, I am. Otherwise I could spam "LFG" for all enternity, it would seem. Yes, those groups tend to be clueless. Usually 5 out of 8 people in such a group don't even understand target calling. Every once in a while we fight a team who is even more clueless than mine and I get a fame point. If I am lucky I will get to Rank 3 by mid 2006 this way. Cool. If this really is the way to get new players into PvP, I don't know...

Actually I don't want to play a Warrior in an IWAY group, you know. My main profession in PvP is a Mesmer. I know this profession inside out and have all skills unlocked for this class (including many possible support skills from secondary classes). Do I really have to go IWAY for 1 month so I can finally be a Mesmer again? Also, since I am coming from the PvE side of GW, I don't have a slot for a PvP char left and I don't feel like deleting one of my toons all of which have beaten the game. Actually Warrior and Necro are the 2 classes I don't have on that account. So, no IWAY for me, it seems.

As for my guild - I am in a PvE guild. The guys in that guild are my friends some of whom I have known for years, so leaving it for a PvP guild is NOT an option.

Well...

Guizzy · Nov 14, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

It's even harder for me to get a group as I use a very uncommon character (Fast Casting Water Ele).

I mean: I'm certainly one of the best Water Eles in PvP seeing as I use it exclusively (In TA/CA/PvE). But when it comes to finding a Tombs group, I'm never picked.

Because no one wants rank 0 players, nevermind that I've seen all the maps and been to the HoH.

Because no one wants Water Ele, nevermind that I've single-handedly defeated a minion factory group and won 2 fights in a row with a 4-hench/4-men team.

Ahhh, if there was a way to measure SKILL... Fame ain't it, and I've previously been into a very long argument here about how fame is killing the community.

asdar · Nov 14, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

It's easy to try and make it seem like there's not a problem but there is. The number of districts in Tombs is dwindling and the time to find a group regardless of rank is growing.

I wish they'd do something but the whole thing sucks now.

I think they ought to have a random 8 arena, I'd bet anything it'd be popular. Same as random to teams after 10 wins you go to tombs.

It'd beef up the tombs competition and sure as anything there'd be occassional bursts of random teams that win, just like in Teams arena.

imaginary friend · Nov 14, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

i usually don't do tombs... the only time I did was with one of my other guilds, but they died out. I pvp all the time (90k faction) but when i go to tombs... i dont get picked, therefore i wont do tombs until i have unlocked everything in pvp (all runes, skills and weapon mods)

imaginary friend · Nov 14, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

i usually don't do tombs... the only time I did was with one of my other guilds, but they died out. I pvp all the time (90k faction) but when i go to tombs... i dont get picked, therefore i wont do tombs until i have unlocked everything in pvp (all runes, skills and weapon mods)

sun is in us · Nov 14, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I was moving when they added Fame and so could not play GW for a month. Previously I had played a lot of PVP and GVG. After that first month, all the
l33t fools had established themselves as superior. So I have just avoided Tombs since then.

Too bad they can't have a database crash and reset it.

I must admit, fame has added a negative element to game play in general as it doesn't really reflect the skill of the player (especially to a specific char type) and it is used by the weak minded as a stick. Guess they can't afford caviar and a limo in the real world, so they think Fame entitles them to act like an elitist in the virtual world. Childishness.

I will eventually start playing Tombs again, but for now, having to listen to people spamming fame requirements just sucks the idea of fun outta the whole experience.

Guild Rank ultimately makes more sense.

RoF · Nov 14, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I lucked out because I chose to play an R/Me, I highly reccomend it as far as pvp tombs grouping is concerned. There is a niche for a ranger in pretty much every build... Modded IWAY, trapper, spiker group, and well rounded groups will usually be glad to take you on. I'm just barely rank 1 and have no problem getting into decent groups. I've yet to hold the halls but I've been there many times.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen people spamming R3+, only to meet them in battle and win easily. From my experience, the build your team is running and the rank of the players has very little to do with how far you go (as far as PUG tombs groups are concerned). The most successful teams are those that communicate well. TS/Vent is a must, even if you don't have a microphone, you should atleast download it to listen to the other players. I remember the first time I reached the Halls (had to win 4 times in a row to get there) was with a group of all rankless players, running a standard mixed build. None of us were godly players, but we communicated well and worked together.

Whew! What a rant.... anyway... the point is that you don't have to be R3 to get in a good group. All you need is a little patience. If you join a group that appears to have horrible communication, and no plan, leave and look for another. Spending a little extra time constructing a team that communicates well pays huge dividends.

Just my 2 cents.

ibex333 · Nov 14, 2005, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun is in us

I was moving when they added Fame and so could not play GW for a month. Previously I had played a lot of PVP and GVG. After that first month, all the
l33t fools had established themselves as superior. So I have just avoided Tombs since then.

Too bad they can't have a database crash and reset it.

I must admit, fame has added a negative element to game play in general as it doesn't really reflect the skill of the player (especially to a specific char type) and it is used by the weak minded as a stick. Guess they can't afford caviar and a limo in the real world, so they think Fame entitles them to act like an elitist in the virtual world. Childishness.

I will eventually start playing Tombs again, but for now, having to listen to people spamming fame requirements just sucks the idea of fun outta the whole experience.

Guild Rank ultimately makes more sense.

Amen to that. However unlike you I am trying to play Tombs despite all the crap. And I'm thankful to the people in this forum who advised me to try and start my own team for a change. I will admit, that even when I start my own group, it takes time, but by far not as much as sitting in dist 1 asking ppl to take me in. At this point, it is easier for me to assemple a balanced group... Now if I could only do something about people screaming "NOOBS!!" "NOOBS!!" "NOOBS!!" and leaving game after we loose... What's the big deal ppl? Just chill. There is a great saying: IF AT FIRST YOU DONT SUCCEED......

asdar · Nov 14, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Ibex333, I'd like to join your group. I can't stand anything worse than people leaving, usually at first death.

If you stick together, preferably re-mixing new skills you can get better and win. It all just takes a bit of patience.

As it is though, I'd rather go to random arenas where I at least can make a difference, have fun and get faction at least twice as fast.

RoF · Nov 14, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by asdar

I think they ought to have a random 8 arena, I'd bet anything it'd be popular. Same as random to teams after 10 wins you go to tombs.

Best idea in this thread... can't believe I missed this my first time through.

This would be perfect! With this implemented, non-hardcore players who want to 8v8 can still play 8v8 and can do it quickly. With all of the more casual players leaving tombs for 8v8 random arenas, people wouldn't have to say R3+ only because the players they are trying to weed out wouldn't be there.

Really people who say R3+ don't really care about your rank as much as they want to avoid people who have absolutely no clue what they are doing.

ANet make a casual 8v8 arena!

borkbork · Nov 14, 2005, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Whenever I start my groups, I don't really care about rank and what not. I just need people that can listen. Interestingly enough, pickups without rank 3+ are usually the ones that refuse to change their skillbars...

They insist that their skillbars are the best since it "owns" in X, and they might be right. However, they're unable to understand that some builds require a different skillbar until I have to threaten them with a boot.